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betterbutter 2012- 12- 25 11:47 PM

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة diamond brooch (المشاركة 7854966)
بناااااااااااات :31:

ابي تفريغ فوزيه شعر العام ..للوست لاند:36:

ناقصتني رقم 5:23:
بليزززززززززززززززززز هلب مي محتاجتها ..:18:

موجودة بالصفحات اللي ورا 28 او 29

M.A.S 2012- 12- 26 12:01 AM

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جابت the limitations of new criticism عددي 3 نقاط

M.A.S 2012- 12- 26 12:02 AM

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المشكلة اني ما شريتها ما عندي من الجزء الأول إلى الثالث :9:

betterbutter 2012- 12- 26 12:11 AM

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هذي وصلتني للشعر وفيها اسئلة المحمول والنهائي يمكن تستفيدون منها وتعطيكم فكره عن اسئلة حصة

betterbutter 2012- 12- 26 12:14 AM

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وهذا بعد

betterbutter 2012- 12- 26 12:28 AM

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هذي التكمله المشاركه اللي فوقها معادة

لولو السكري 2012- 12- 26 12:29 AM

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة shwshw (المشاركة 7852223)
اول مرة اسمع بهذا الشي موجود بالتفريغ !؟

موجود في الملزمه الي نزلتها الجزء السابع في فقرةpoetic truth
:36:بنات ماحد بيرد علي يعني

لولو السكري 2012- 12- 26 12:31 AM

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة لولو السكري (المشاركة 7851353)
بنات ممكن مساعده في النقد
اهم النقاط في اختلاف بينRichards&leavis&eilot
تعريف لintellectual belief& emotional
والي كتبت الي ملتنا اياه كامل عن ريتشارد تحطه

بليز احد يرد

احسن شئ 2012- 12- 26 01:58 AM

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Richard الكلام اللي نقلتنا موجود بالتفريغ آخر صفحتين, بس Leavis مو موجود اللي نقلتنا بلييييز اللي كاتبته كامل تصوره لنا أو اي شي
لاتبخلون علينا😪
بالتوفيق 🌹

لولو السكري 2012- 12- 26 06:04 AM

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اصلا ليفيز ماملتنا عنه شي

أنغام الحرية 2012- 12- 26 08:38 AM

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:21:

Tareq alghamdi 2012- 12- 26 09:12 AM

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الظاهر انه لكم خبرة وانا توي جديد
اذا ممكن طلب للملخصات للمستوى الاول
وشكرا:21::29:

أنغام الحرية 2012- 12- 26 09:41 AM

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в7т ѕнσ0σg

:1: احلا تحيه لك
ساعدتي كثييييييير الله يسسعدك
ويووفقك علآ هذا التعاون الجميل :21::21:

فالك التفووق مو بس النجاح وال A+:29::27:

هتان7ano0 2012- 12- 26 10:58 AM

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الفرق بين ليفززز وريتشارد و اليووت موجود في التفريغ في نهاية المحاضرات 7 + 8

بس المشكلة الحين الملازم الي نزلتهم انا ما شريتهم الله ياخذني شفتها تشد النفس حذفتها وطلعت :14:

يعني جد فيهم اشياء مهمه لهدرجة ......؟!
بليزز يا بنااات حددوو النقاط المهمه الي في الملازم و نزلوها هنااااااااااااااا :4:

heavy rain20 2012- 12- 26 12:42 PM

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بنات ابي اسئلكم راح اذكرون الملازم الي نزلتها وهل تتوقعون تجيب لنا اشياء من النصوص الي نسوي عليها عروض؟

ليان محمد 2012- 12- 26 01:20 PM

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بنات اسئلوها على الايميل اذا ملازم الي نزلتها فيها شي مهم او المحاضرات تكفي ؟
وبعدين مااذكر انها قالت بتنزل ملزمه ليه ماعلمتنا بالكلاس :36:

هتان7ano0 2012- 12- 26 01:35 PM

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اي و الله كلام ليان صح .. مهي سالفه ذي تطالبنا بشي هي ما اشرحته

احسن شئ 2012- 12- 26 01:41 PM

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة لولو السكري (المشاركة 7864233)
اصلا ليفيز ماملتنا عنه شي

😳إلا انا كاتبه وسالت صديقتي بعد كاتبه بس ناقصنا كلمات منه😥

ليان محمد 2012- 12- 26 03:02 PM

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بنات سمعت انها جابت من الملزمه الي منزلتها بالكوبي سنتر للمعتذرات تهقون تجيب لنا منها :4:

لولو السكري 2012- 12- 26 03:59 PM

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة احسن شئ (المشاركة 7868670)
😳إلا انا كاتبه وسالت صديقتي بعد كاتبه بس ناقصنا كلمات منه😥

انتي جيبي السطر الاول وباحاول اجيب أباقي بس لاتتئخري لانه بعد شوي باكون مشغوله

آم سلوم 2012- 12- 26 04:33 PM

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بنات عااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااجل , اابي ملازم تفريغ يمنى حقت (العام)
ضروووووووووووووووووووووووووووري

احسن شئ 2012- 12- 26 06:08 PM

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة لولو السكري (المشاركة 7870604)
انتي جيبي السطر الاول وباحاول اجيب أباقي بس لاتتئخري لانه بعد شوي باكون مشغوله

Being a teacher dominated his habit of analysis his way
المقطع الثاني عنenactment
Moral evaluation المقطع الثالث

أنغام الحرية 2012- 12- 26 06:43 PM

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بنات ناقصني النقد 7و 8 منو الحلوه اللي تنزلهم لي
وشكرا جزيلا:28:

Naiomy 2012- 12- 26 07:40 PM

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^
^
تفضلي :29:

سؤال ...التفريغ بس ثمان ملازم صح ؟؟

أنغام الحرية 2012- 12- 26 07:51 PM

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة naiomy (المشاركة 7874130)
^
^
تفضلي :29:

سؤال ...التفريغ بس ثمان ملازم صح ؟؟

ثاااانكس الله يسسسعدك:43::29::2:
ايه ثمان:28:

دخلت E وتوهقت 2012- 12- 26 08:38 PM

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بنات الله يعافيكم ممكن
الجدول كامل


:2:

ليان محمد 2012- 12- 26 08:49 PM

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بنات وش سالفه الملزمه الي منزلتها الدكتوره بالكوبي سنتر مهمه ولا المحاضرات والتفريغ يكفي ؟:7:
بليز احد يرد

ليان محمد 2012- 12- 26 08:50 PM

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بنات سؤال الحين المحاضره الثالثه بالتفريغ صفحه وحده صح زياده تاكيد ؟:36:

لولو السكري 2012- 12- 26 08:57 PM

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الصراحه من وجهة نظري ومن مذاكرتي شفت انه الملزمه مرة مهمه وفيها حوايج واجد لكن التفريغ احسه بس هدره

لولو السكري 2012- 12- 26 09:00 PM

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السبت نقد
الاحد عربي
الاثنين شعر
الثلاثاء مقال
الاربعاء نثر
السبت لغويات
الاكد حاضر
الاثنين مسرح
الثلاثاء ترجمه
الاربعاء تاريخ الغه

لولو السكري 2012- 12- 26 09:03 PM

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة احسن شئ (المشاركة 7872496)
being a teacher dominated his habit of analysis his way
المقطع الثاني عنenactment
moral evaluation المقطع الثالث

حاولت ماشفت شي له علاقه به لكن ادا حطيتي يمكن جمل اكثر بادور في النت لانه كل الي ملتنا اياه اني اخده من النت

ليان محمد 2012- 12- 26 09:08 PM

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة لولو السكري (المشاركة 7875662)
الصراحه من وجهة نظري ومن مذاكرتي شفت انه الملزمه مرة مهمه وفيها حوايج واجد لكن التفريغ احسه بس هدره


طيب ايش اسم الملزمه ؟ ومتى نزلتها ؟:40:

لولو السكري 2012- 12- 26 09:11 PM

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الجزء السادس والسابع تتكلم عمن ليفنز وريتشارد

ليان محمد 2012- 12- 26 09:11 PM

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ممكن تقولين لنا ايش المواضيع المهمه الي فيها علشان اقراهم من النت ؟

لولو السكري 2012- 12- 26 09:12 PM

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ترى الاخطاء الي اكتبها لاني اكتب في جوالي وجوالي يخليني اكتب بدون ما اشوف وش اكتب

لولو السكري 2012- 12- 26 09:15 PM

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introduction and books
the four kinds of meaning
aim of his book
close reading(words kinds of language context and meaning with context rhyme,meter and metaphors
meter and rhyme
value of metaphors
the kind of language
1emotive language
2refreantial language
How Richards is different from Eliot and Leavis

لولو السكري 2012- 12- 26 09:15 PM

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اتمنى اكون افدتش وادا افدتش لاتنسين تدعي لي

ليان محمد 2012- 12- 26 09:18 PM

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مشكورة يعطيك العافيه وبالتوفيق يارب :16:

رنومه.. 2012- 12- 26 10:42 PM

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مرحبا بنات..
هذي جزئية ليفز اللي مو موجوده بالتفريغ و نقلتنا اياها..
الله يعطيها العافيه وحده جمعتهم بس مالقت اول بارقراف،
ياليت اللي عندها تكتبه..

Enactment is the first word one must take count *of an estimate of his views. It is the notion that works of art act their moral judgment. It is brought out in an attempt to assess the limitations of Jonson Augustans' mind and sensibility was confronted with Shakespeare's characteristics use of language. Works of art enact their moral evaluation. They do so generally not by deploying words to reinforce a didactic intention but by a specifically poetic use of language which Leavis characterizes as the poetic creator.
*
Leavis is insisting on a conception of literature which has relevance and value for other things beside literature. a vitalizing recourse of concrete concern living as well as reading for writing. Leavis goes on to talk not about intentions and the correct way of bringing them into art but bout language and about the kind of inner life which it must maintain a contact if it is to be at all capable of registering the source of valuation which literature exists to register. This concern of life is a concern for a moral poetic vitality which can have varying manifestation.
*
The word enactment implies that good poetry embodies enacts a valuation of a reality at once inner and outer. To enact a valuation is to realize whatever is evaluated. It is to bring us into an immediate living relation to reality. *

شتاء عمري 2012- 12- 26 10:51 PM

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هذا الشي موجود بتفريغ العام ليفز ومنه فيه كلام رنومه

though Leavis ' view and literary criticism is based on the destruction of what he called the organic community by the advent of the machine and mass culture. Based on tradition, cut work and close personal relationship, the organic community is harmonious whereas industrial society based on rules , machines and unanimity is dissonant. Leavis' comments on culture belong to tradition dating back to at least the late 18th century whose thinkers were alarmed by the growing separation of the economy and the society. His argument was that a growth of the press underlines a common culture by creating different markets for different tastes. The constant reinforcement of these tastes variable made it difficult for any one group to find a common ground with any other group. Consequently, there is no agreement about what constituted standards. In this situation, the artist had a little choice but to write for a particular market rather than an educated public.
Enactment is the first word one must take count of an estimate of his views. It is the notion that works of art act their moral judgment. It is brought out in an attempt to assess the limitations of Jonson Augustans' mind and sensibility was confronted with Shakespeare's characteristics use of language. Works of art enact their moral evaluation. They do so generally not by deploying words to reinforce a didactic intention but by a specifically poetic use of language which Leavis characterizes as the poetic creator.
Leavis is insisting on a conception of literature which has relevance and value for other things beside literature. a vitalizing recourse of concrete concern living as well as reading for writing. Leavis goes on to talk not about intentions and the correct way of bringing them into art but bout language and about the kind of inner life which it must maintain a contact if it is to be at all capable of registering the source of valuation which literature exists to register. This concern of life is a concern for a moral poetic vitality which can have varying manifestation.



دعووواتكم :16:

в7т ѕнσ0σg 2012- 12- 26 11:10 PM

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مسآكم توفيق ورضآإ ربـي:16: ..

هذآ آلجزئية آلي قبل كلآم رنومةة ..

leavis criticism is one which always has its eyes in its audience for the sake of convincing them that it has the eyes in its object. In the out **** of which they are collaborates with the critic himself. In enactment is the notion that works of art acts their moral judgment. It brought out an attempt to access the limitation of some writer minds and sensibility when confronted with the characters used of language of those of other great writers.

لآإهنتو يَ بنآت ربي لآ يضيع لنآإ تعب :29:

в7т ѕнσ0σg 2012- 12- 26 11:12 PM

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**** هذآ مكآنهآ كلمة بس نآقصةة مآ هيب مكتوبةة عندي لكن مآحسهآ رآح تأثر آلآهم مفهوم آلكلآم وآضح ..

هههههههههههههههههه :36::37: تو آنتبه مآعآد فيه تركيز آلسموحةة

Miss.LoLo 2012- 12- 26 11:39 PM

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة в7т ѕнσ0σg (المشاركة 7878847)
**** هذآ مكآنهآ كلمة بس نآقصةة مآ هيب مكتوبةة عندي لكن مآحسهآ رآح تأثر آلآهم مفهوم آلكلآم وآضح ..

هههههههههههههههههه :36::37: تو آنتبه مآعآد فيه تركيز آلسموحةة

الله يجزاك الجنه وموفقين جميعا

رنومه.. 2012- 12- 26 11:55 PM

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة в7т ѕнσ0σg (المشاركة 7878801)
مسآكم توفيق ورضآإ ربـي:16: ..

هذآ آلجزئية آلي قبل كلآم رنومةة ..

leavis criticism is one which always has its eyes in its audience for the sake of convincing them that it has the eyes in its object. In the Contemplative scrutiny of which they are collaborates with the critic himself. In enactment is the notion that works of art acts their moral judgment. It brought out an attempt to access the limitation of some writer minds and sensibility when confronted with the characters used of language of those of other great writers.

لآإهنتو يَ بنآت ربي لآ يضيع لنآإ تعب :29:

هذا الكلمتين الناقصات..

هتان7ano0 2012- 12- 27 01:46 AM

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:3: :3: :3: :3: :3: :3:

ماشاءالله يا بنات اثلجتوووو صدورنا ع ذا التعاون هذي الهقوووه الله يوفقكممم جميعا" و لا يضيع تعبنااا

......:16::2::43:....

لاتغرك ضحكتي 2012- 12- 27 04:42 AM

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يعطيكم العافيه بنات :21:

ياليت اللي عندها الملزمه اللي نزلتها الدكتوره تسوي لها سكان هنا
عالاقل الاشياء الواضحه والمهمه لو كانت الصفحات كثيره :36:

عسولة الشرقية 2012- 12- 27 11:46 AM

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الله يوفقكم بنات باختباراتكم :16:


دعواتي لكم يا جميلين طول فترة الفاينلز :1:

betterbutter 2012- 12- 27 12:54 PM

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بنات محد ناوي ينزل ملزمة المودرزيزم اللي قالت عليها د.حصه:10:

ريحة المطر 2012- 12- 27 01:19 PM

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة betterbutter (المشاركة 7889361)
بنات محد ناوي ينزل ملزمة المودرزيزم اللي قالت عليها د.حصه:10:

فيه وحده من المحاضرات عطتنا ملزمه قالت صوروها فيما بينكم
بعدين بآخر محاضره انا مو متأكده أذا قالت هي موجوده بالكوبي سنتر او فجر

يعني اتوقع أنها ملزمه وحده مو ملزمتين
عموما اللي قد أخذتها بالمحاضره فيها لينك فوق وهذا هو
http://www.online-literature.com/periods/modernism.php

الطلب المساعده الحين اللي عندها الملزمه من الكوبي سنتر تتأكد لنا بس
هو نفس الايساي والا صدق فيه ملزمه ثانيه !!!!!

بليييييييييييز مانبي تسوي سكان بس تتأكد لنا بليييز بلييييز بلييييييييز

M.A.S 2012- 12- 27 01:20 PM

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بنات احد يعرف نماذج أسئلة السنوات اللي راحت حقت يمنى؟
مدري شفيني متخوفة مره من أسئلتها الله يسترر :44:

طيرالحب 2012- 12- 27 01:26 PM

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بنات ملزمة الويست لاند اللي بمكتبة فجر

من تقدر تسوي لها سكان :39:

betterbutter 2012- 12- 27 02:45 PM

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اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة ريحة المطر (المشاركة 7889934)
فيه وحده من المحاضرات عطتنا ملزمه قالت صوروها فيما بينكم
بعدين بآخر محاضره انا مو متأكده أذا قالت هي موجوده بالكوبي سنتر او فجر

يعني اتوقع أنها ملزمه وحده مو ملزمتين
عموما اللي قد أخذتها بالمحاضره فيها لينك فوق وهذا هو
http://www.online-literature.com/periods/modernism.php

الطلب المساعده الحين اللي عندها الملزمه من الكوبي سنتر تتأكد لنا بس
هو نفس الايساي والا صدق فيه ملزمه ثانيه !!!!!

بليييييييييييز مانبي تسوي سكان بس تتأكد لنا بليييز بلييييز بلييييييييز


الرابط صحيح نفس ملزمة الموديرنيزم وانا اصلا شفتها معاها بس مارضت تعطينا اياها لان تقول اخاف ماترجعونها لانها النسخه الاصليه وهي تحتاجها وانا متاكدددددددددددده فيه ملزمه غيرها وانا اخذتها م فجر واصلا ماعندهم غيرها بس مافيه مشكله الرابط يكفي بدل ملزمه المودرنيزم+ملزمه فجر

betterbutter 2012- 12- 27 02:48 PM

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة m.a.s (المشاركة 7889953)
بنات احد يعرف نماذج أسئلة السنوات اللي راحت حقت يمنى؟
مدري شفيني متخوفة مره من أسئلتها الله يسترر :44:

انا درست عندها السنه اللي راحت في الفاينل تركز على مابعد الميد ولاتهتم كثير بالشهري لدرجة تشكين انه مو معكم بس طبعا بتجيب منه سوال واحد او اثنين صغار بس اللي بالوجه يكون اللي بعد الشهري

اتمنى افدتك

أنغام الحرية 2012- 12- 27 03:41 PM

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1 مرفق
بنات هذي ملزمة النقد اللي مادرينا عنها
وحده اعرفها صورت اهم الصفحات بالجالكسي
سوووري ادري انهم مو مره واضحين بس فيه اشياء مقروءه

موووفقات

Diamond brooch 2012- 12- 27 05:31 PM

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The New Critics: Their Limitations
In the end, the limitations and short comings of the New Critics as brought out by the censure of die Chicago group may be summed up as follows:
1. The New Critics are not too much pre-occupied with textual analysis. Their excessive pre-occupation with words, images, paradox, irony, etc., makes them forget that the poem is an organic whole. In their pre-occupation with the parts they ignore the beauty of the whole.
2. Their approach is dogmatic and narrow. According to them, it is through Textual study and analyses alone that truth can be arrived at. However, there are a number of other approaches : the historical, the sociological, the psychological, etc., and each has its own value and significance. All possible ways should be tried to arrive at the full truth
about a poem.

3. A work of art has two functions, aesthetic and moral. While the older criticism erred in its over-emphasis on the moral concern of literature, the New Critics go to the other extreme in their entire neglect of it. Art cannot be divorced entirely from life.
4. In their insistence on the objective and scientific study of a work of art, they entirely ignore the reactions of the critic. The subjective element cannot be totally done away with, and the impressions of the critic have their own significance.
5. As T. S. Eliot has pointed out, textual analysis can establish only the literary quality of a work, to determine its greatness other methods are also necessary. Literature is certainly an art-form, but it has other values also, besides the literary.
6. The textual approach may work well with some genres, but it is not equally effective with all genres. There are different kinds of poetry, and different critical techniques are needed for their evaluation. The same technique cannot be effective both with die lyric and the epic.
7. The New Critics are wrong in ignoring the study of the history of literary criticism. A historical study shows that various critical tools have been used effectively in different ages and countries, and their use may be worthwhile in the present also. Thus, for example, the Aristotelian
literary philosophy and poetics may still he of use in evaluation and interpretation. A historical study is the only way of understanding the comparative merits of the rival schools of criticism. The critic must, therefore, master the critical traditions and from among the rival critical techniques choose the one best suited to his purposes.

8. A poem is certainly an artistic structure, and must be studied as such. The understanding of the poetic meaning of a poem is essential and textual and structural study is an effective tool for the purpose. But social and biographical factors may also determine its meaning and a knowledge of them may also help the critic to illuminate the work under study. Hence, the new critic are wrong in totally ignoring the social mi Men of the poet
بنات سوال هذا نفس الموجود بالملزمه عندكم ولالا ؟؟
حصلته بالنت ...
دعواتكممممممم :39:

شتاء عمري 2012- 12- 27 07:56 PM

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يس هو نفسه

لاتغرك ضحكتي 2012- 12- 27 08:12 PM

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من كثر المعلومات والماتيريالز تشتت عقلي :7:
احس ان كل اللي ذاكرته ماثبت بمخي
مين نفس حالتي !؟ هل من مشاركه وجدانيه
:12:
وهل من رفع معنويات و نصائح :44:

شتاء عمري 2012- 12- 27 09:38 PM

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لاتغرك ايه عادي ان شاءالله بالمراجعه يثبت المعلومات :34:

ليان محمد 2012- 12- 27 09:45 PM

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بنات حسيت كلام الملزمه الي نزلتها الدكتوره موجود بالتفريغ ليه تقولون مش نفسه الا نفسه :36:

لاتغرك ضحكتي 2012- 12- 27 09:55 PM

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اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة شتاء عمري (المشاركة 7898609)
لاتغرك ايه عادي ان شاءالله بالمراجعه يثبت المعلومات :34:

ان شاء الله يسمع منك ربي :43:

ياليت اللي تخلص تبدا تحط هنا اهم النقاط اللي تتوقع تجي الاسئله عنها
عشان نراجع مع بعض ونستفيد :21:

betterbutter 2012- 12- 27 11:23 PM

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what are the 3 commands to reach the salvation in the last movement in waste land?

*********************** to give
to sympythize is to understand and love humanity if you do so you will feel for them.man is being locked,alinated from people and feel for them and to cahnge through communication.
to control is to dominate your lust,bodily desire and leave spiritual control for god and you will be guide safely.

ممكن احد يكمل الاولى بليييييييييييييز ردوا بلا تطنيش:36::39::7:

betterbutter 2012- 12- 28 01:04 AM

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the three images which suggest the immediate apprehension of ideas and feelings.imagery of sterility and dryness,approprite to the condition of the waste land, is clear from the first few lines where the arrival of spring is shown with horror by the inhabitants of the dead land. they survive in the stony rubbish under a rough sun.this desert is not contrast to the unreal city for in both the people lack will and vitality.the same marks are manifested by the characters of partsII and III and in the background the rattle=sound of dead bones mocks the futility and essential deadness of their lives.the desert landscape reappears in part V of the poem in the section considered by Eliot himself to be the best written piece of the waste land.a change has taken place,however,in that the travellers through the lifeless sand and rock now crave for water and later ,when tempted to despair in the 'empty cisterns and exhausted wells' of the runied chapel,they reassure themselves that'dry bone can harm no one'. at the end,with the'arid plain' behind him,the fisher king,the ruler and embodiment of the waste land faces the sea,behind him also are the polluted river and the dull canal and the rain intimated by the thunder offers new possibilities in place of the apprehension
caused by the spring rain in the beginning of the poem.'

* the frailty and corruption of human love is presented in images of sexual degradation.even in the episode of the hyacinth girl with all its marvellous promise there is a sudden inability to communicate,a sense of sexual inadequacy. in a less intense way, the two relationships explored in part II repeat the failure of men and women to achieve a partnership of mutual trust and care.the title of part II, (A game of chess) emphasises the theme of deceit and sexual exploitation and 'the fire sermon' concerned as it is with burning,focuses on the fires of sexual lust.'the sweet thames, becomes the'waters of lemon'or prostitution and Eliot is determined to demonstrate how disgusting and depraved men can become in the waste land.women are reduced to sexual objects for the gratification of lust and they seem to accept the mechanical role they are given to play.dignity and honour are not considered any longer:'she smooths her hair with automatic hand, and 'what should i resent. in the final part,however, in the responses to the voice of the thunder, there is a questioning of the selfish lust which had motivated the characters earlier in the poem,in particular,the siling image of control and sharing counteracts the images of philomel,cleopatra,dido,queen elizabeth and the other women."

the third is the transformation of life into death and death into life. at the begnning of the poem the inhabitants of the dead land are alive in line63 the poet expresses his surprise that'death had undone so many'. in the final lines of part I,however,there is some hope offered that the buried corpse may begin to grow.the egyptian myth of osiris symbolized the dying of the land and its rebirth with the rising of the water in the Nail. throughout the poem there is an uncertainty about the distinction between life and death:corpse can sprout but those who seem to be alive are somtimes'neither living nor dead'or are asked,'are you alive or not. this paradox of death in life is seen most in the story of Jesus328-330)who as god and man had lived most fully but appeared to be killed on the cross.Jesus,however,epitomises the myths of the sacrificed but resurrected god of fertility and he reappears to his followers and offers a new life.earlier in the poem,Eliot cites many examples of transformation in people's lives,some suggesting an improvement,some indicating a deterioration or confusion.philomel,transformed into a bird,is a plaintive reminder of the brutality of human life.even tiresias who has experienced so much as male and female,appears to be,like the Cumaean Sybil of the epigraph,weary of all behaviour.phlebas's death by water involves him in a repetition of his life:he does not escape from the wheel.however,the refrences to Ariel's song in shakespeare's the tempest allow that death by drowning may lead to 'something rich and strange',and St Augustine and the Buddha,when they are rescued from their burning condition,point to a fuller kind of living.(..,

betterbutter 2012- 12- 28 01:07 AM

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^^^^

الفقره الاولى بدايتها كان سوال في الاسئله اللي ارفقتها مع الملازم


+


اللي عندها برضه اشياء مهمه تشاركها معنا نبي نركز اكثر ونعدي يارب


+

وش المهم باللوف سونق

Miss.LoLo 2012- 12- 28 01:49 AM

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بنات جد احس ملازمها نفس شرحها بس بصياغه ثانيه. تدرون ليه لان هي ماتدري ان عندنا تفريغ فعشان كذا تنزلها لنا. احد يأيد كلامي لان مالي خلق افتح ملازمها. ولا تحسون انها مهمه بليز اللي ذاكرتها تفيدنا خاصه اليوت موجود بكل ملزمه. علئ فكره اتكلم عن النقد. بالنسبه للشعر سؤال بتذاكرون من تفريغ د فوزيه الوست لاند والوف سونق.

Naiomy 2012- 12- 28 02:11 AM

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اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة betterbutter (المشاركة 7901929)
the three images which suggest the immediate apprehension of ideas and feelings.imagery of sterility and dryness,approprite to the condition of the waste land, is clear from the first few lines where the arrival of spring is shown with horror by the inhabitants of the dead land. They survive in the stony rubbish under a rough sun.this desert is not contrast to the unreal city for in both the people lack will and vitality.the same marks are manifested by the characters of partsii and iii and in the background the rattle=sound of dead bones mocks the futility and essential deadness of their lives.the desert landscape reappears in part v of the poem in the section considered by eliot himself to be the best written piece of the waste land.a change has taken place,however,in that the travellers through the lifeless sand and rock now crave for water and later ,when tempted to despair in the 'empty cisterns and exhausted wells' of the runied chapel,they reassure themselves that'dry bone can harm no one'. At the end,with the'arid plain' behind him,the fisher king,the ruler and embodiment of the waste land faces the sea,behind him also are the polluted river and the dull canal and the rain intimated by the thunder offers new possibilities in place of the apprehension
caused by the spring rain in the beginning of the poem.'

* the frailty and corruption of human love is presented in images of sexual degradation.even in the episode of the hyacinth girl with all its marvellous promise there is a sudden inability to communicate,a sense of sexual inadequacy. In a less intense way, the two relationships explored in part ii repeat the failure of men and women to achieve a partnership of mutual trust and care.the title of part ii, (a game of chess) emphasises the theme of deceit and sexual exploitation and 'the fire sermon' concerned as it is with burning,focuses on the fires of sexual lust.'the sweet thames, becomes the'waters of lemon'or prostitution and eliot is determined to demonstrate how disgusting and depraved men can become in the waste land.women are reduced to sexual objects for the gratification of lust and they seem to accept the mechanical role they are given to play.dignity and honour are not considered any longer:'she smooths her hair with automatic hand, and 'what should i resent. In the final part,however, in the responses to the voice of the thunder, there is a questioning of the selfish lust which had motivated the characters earlier in the poem,in particular,the siling image of control and sharing counteracts the images of philomel,cleopatra,dido,queen elizabeth and the other women."

the third is the transformation of life into death and death into life. At the begnning of the poem the inhabitants of the dead land are alive in line63 the poet expresses his surprise that'death had undone so many'. In the final lines of part i,however,there is some hope offered that the buried corpse may begin to grow.the egyptian myth of osiris symbolized the dying of the land and its rebirth with the rising of the water in the nail. Throughout the poem there is an uncertainty about the distinction between life and death:corpse can sprout but those who seem to be alive are somtimes'neither living nor dead'or are asked,'are you alive or not. This paradox of death in life is seen most in the story of jesus328-330)who as god and man had lived most fully but appeared to be killed on the cross.jesus,however,epitomises the myths of the sacrificed but resurrected god of fertility and he reappears to his followers and offers a new life.earlier in the poem,eliot cites many examples of transformation in people's lives,some suggesting an improvement,some indicating a deterioration or confusion.philomel,transformed into a bird,is a plaintive reminder of the brutality of human life.even tiresias who has experienced so much as male and female,appears to be,like the cumaean sybil of the epigraph,weary of all behaviour.phlebas's death by water involves him in a repetition of his life:he does not escape from the wheel.however,the refrences to ariel's song in shakespeare's the tempest allow that death by drowning may lead to 'something rich and strange',and st augustine and the buddha,when they are rescued from their burning condition,point to a fuller kind of living.(..,

هذا بويتري والا كريتيسيزم ؟:7::39:

لاتغرك ضحكتي 2012- 12- 28 02:13 AM

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اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة miss.lolo (المشاركة 7902489)
بنات جد احس ملازمها نفس شرحها بس بصياغه ثانيه. تدرون ليه لان هي ماتدري ان عندنا تفريغ فعشان كذا تنزلها لنا. احد يأيد كلامي لان مالي خلق افتح ملازمها. ولا تحسون انها مهمه بليز اللي ذاكرتها تفيدنا خاصه اليوت موجود بكل ملزمه. علئ فكره اتكلم عن النقد. بالنسبه للشعر سؤال بتذاكرون من تفريغ د فوزيه الوست لاند والوف سونق.

ماعندي ولا وحده من ملازمها
لذلك مقدر افيدك :5:
الله يسسسسسستررر بس
:36:

شتاء عمري 2012- 12- 28 10:42 AM

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ملزمه اليوت تقريبا نفس تفريغ بس زياده نقاط بس مدري تبينا ندرسها او لا

wishesssss 2012- 12- 28 12:45 PM

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اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة شتاء عمري (المشاركة 7905472)
ملزمه اليوت تقريبا نفس تفريغ بس زياده نقاط بس مدري تبينا ندرسها او لا

تقدرين تصورينها :27::16:

lays 2012- 12- 28 04:35 PM

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بنات احد يعرف كيف طريقة الاسئله يعني شورت كويستش و الايسي واحد بس ؟؟ تجيب اختيارات ولا لا ؟؟؟

شتاء عمري 2012- 12- 28 04:58 PM

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اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة wishesssss (المشاركة 7906188)
تقدرين تصورينها :27::16:

مدري هي مهمه او لا
يعني ماذكرتها يمنى بالكلاس

شتاء عمري 2012- 12- 28 04:59 PM

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اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة lays (المشاركة 7909016)
بنات احد يعرف كيف طريقة الاسئله يعني شورت كويستش و الايسي واحد بس ؟؟ تجيب اختيارات ولا لا ؟؟؟

اذكر العام الشورت مافيه خيارات بس لاساي اتوقع كان ثنين نختار واحد

دعواتك :16:

shwshw 2012- 12- 28 05:18 PM

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بنااات بليزززز الي تذكر اي شي من اسئلة العام تحطها هنا مو قادرة استوعب كيف راح تجي الاسئلة :7:

betterbutter 2012- 12- 28 06:57 PM

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اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Naiomy (المشاركة 7902741)
هذا بويتري والا كريتيسيزم ؟:7::39:


بويتري

betterbutter 2012- 12- 28 07:02 PM

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اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة lays (المشاركة 7909016)
بنات احد يعرف كيف طريقة الاسئله يعني شورت كويستش و الايسي واحد بس ؟؟ تجيب اختيارات ولا لا ؟؟؟


قالت باخر محاضره اول سوال بتجيب سطر من اي قصيده وتقول وش الثيم باختصار يمكن 5 فقرات ماحددت

السوال 2 شورت كويسشن يمكن تجيب 5 واحنا نختار 3 تكون الاجابه في براقراف حوالي 7 اسطر

السوال الثالث ايسي 2نختار واحد


موفقين

betterbutter 2012- 12- 28 07:03 PM

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اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة betterbutter (المشاركة 7900450)
what are the 3 commands to reach the salvation in the last movement in waste land?

*********************** to give
to sympythize is to understand and love humanity if you do so you will feel for them.man is being locked,alinated from people and feel for them and to cahnge through communication.
To control is to dominate your lust,bodily desire and leave spiritual control for god and you will be guide safely.

ممكن احد يكمل الاولى بليييييييييييييز ردوا بلا تطنيش:36::39::7:

احد يكمل؟:25:

شتاء عمري 2012- 12- 28 07:09 PM

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اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة betterbutter (المشاركة 7911226)
احد يكمل؟:25:

اصبررري بكرا اشوفلك
الحين حايسين بالنقد
دعواتك :29:

betterbutter 2012- 12- 28 07:09 PM

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اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة طيرالحب (المشاركة 7849508)
بنات الله يعافيكم اللي تقدر تسوي سكان للملزمة اللي بفجر

وللملزمة الثانية لاتبخل علينا محتاجينها ضروري

حتى على الاقل للصفحات المهمة

وجزاكم الف خير


مقدر ارد عليك بالرسايل مشاركاتي ماعدت الميه

ارسلي رقمك الجوال على الخاص وانا برسلك صور للملزمه على الاشياء المهمه

لولو السكري 2012- 12- 28 07:33 PM

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اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة betterbutter (المشاركة 7911209)
قالت باخر محاضره اول سوال بتجيب سطر من اي قصيده وتقول وش الثيم باختصار يمكن 5 فقرات ماحددت

السوال 2 شورت كويسشن يمكن تجيب 5 واحنا نختار 3 تكون الاجابه في براقراف حوالي 7 اسطر

السوال الثالث ايسي 2نختار واحد


موفقين

د
هل تتكلمو عن اسئلة الشعر ولا النقد
:38:

شتاء عمري 2012- 12- 28 07:49 PM

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شعر

M.A.S 2012- 12- 28 08:07 PM

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بنات تتوقعون تجيب مقارنة بين الكرتكس؟؟

الله يعافيكم اللي عندها فكرة واضحة عن النقاط الأساسية بالاختلاف والتشابه تكتبها لنا بليز
احس أفكاري مشتته

quiet heartl 2012- 12- 28 11:20 PM

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بنات احد عارف زية ليفز بالعربي هالناقد مافيه شي واضح يلخبط

وموفقين بإذن الله

mrssenstive 2012- 12- 28 11:49 PM

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:7::7:
اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة m.a.s (المشاركة 7912321)
بنات تتوقعون تجيب مقارنة بين الكرتكس؟؟

الله يعافيكم اللي عندها فكرة واضحة عن النقاط الأساسية بالاختلاف والتشابه تكتبها لنا بليز
احس أفكاري مشتته




:7::7:
مي توو احس ذاكرت كثير بس محس قبضت منه شئ


محد يذكر اسئله النقد؟؟

هتان7ano0 2012- 12- 29 06:32 AM

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قامطيييين العافية صح :41:

:42: الا بسألكم الكلام الي نقلتنا اياه في ليفززز هو نفسها الي شرحته يعني مافيه فقاط زايده
وكذااا صحح :29:


:2::16: +a ان شاءالله

ريحة المطر 2012- 12- 29 12:28 PM

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يسعد مساكم

بنزل لكم 25 صورة لهاند اوت شعر انا مدري اذا هي اللي تبونها او لا
بس انا درست منها وحسيتها مره واضحه وتفهمين
هي من حقات العام للدكتورة حصه

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ريحة المطر 2012- 12- 29 12:32 PM

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ريحة المطر 2012- 12- 29 12:38 PM

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وارسلت للدكتور شمس الدين نثر - PROSE

اسأله عن الاختبار والتوتال


You'll find your total marks on Tuesday in the department.
Exam will be similar to the midterm. Gd luck

طيرالحب 2012- 12- 29 02:34 PM

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متى يبدا الامتحان 11 والا 11ونص

ريحة المطر 2012- 12- 29 03:14 PM

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متى يبدا الامتحان 11 والا 11ونص


11ونص

لغه الأزهار 2012- 12- 29 05:49 PM

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بنات الله يوفقكم وينجحكم

عندي سؤال

ويست لاند كلها معنا ؟؟ ولا بس السكشن الاول ؟؟

السؤال الثاني

حياه الكاتب معنا او لا ؟؟

ريحة المطر 2012- 12- 29 06:41 PM

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بنات الله يوفقكم وينجحكم

عندي سؤال

ويست لاند كلها معنا ؟؟ ولا بس السكشن الاول ؟؟

السؤال الثاني

حياه الكاتب معنا او لا ؟؟

تمزحين ! ايه كلها معنا ماعدا السكشن الثالث the fire sermon بدون التفاصيل
بس تعرفين انها مرجع واضح للديانه البوذيه
لانهم يعتقدون لو الانسان يبي يطهر نفسه من الذنوب يحرق نفسه

وانها اطول سكشن او موفمنت بالويست لاند كلها
وحياة الكاتب معنا بعد

طيرالحب 2012- 12- 29 06:48 PM

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حياة الكاتب قرااءة فقط مو معنا

heavy rain20 2012- 12- 29 06:54 PM

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هاي بنات ايش عليكم بكره اختبار :9::9:خخخخ شاكه بعمري

betterbutter 2012- 12- 29 08:14 PM

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Q- Write on- "Death by Water" as being another variation on the theme of death and rebirth.
There are so many people having contact with the sea. There is a reference to Tristanund Isolde who is sitting, waiting for the coming of her beloved to the sea. This is one reference to water. It is the possibility of water that carries the symbol of fertility- possibility of rebirth. There is reference to rebirth as an act of fertility – a sign of fertility.
Relying on some sources in the poem, we can detect this theme in the poem, speaking of fertility- death and rebirth.
One of the books that Eliot relied on is "From Ritual to Romance"
Eliot admitted that most of the ideas, images are suggested by two books
"From Ritual to Romance" and" Holy Grail"
In " From Ritual to Romance" he said that Certain religious rituals had not died completely , but they crept into literature and continued to be present in literature under Christianity. the three deities- are related to different seasons- summer, winter, autumn- they stand for the cycle of life- death and rebirth, fertility, seasons- they stand for the death and rebirth of the land- rebirth= a sign of fertility= giving= production. Whenever we have the theme of death and rebirth, we have to remember these three deities= small gods. They are used by Eliot because he believed in the role of these three deities in the traditional literature. They are applicable to the situation in the waste land. They lack the spiritual – religious side of their life.
In Death by Water, there is the death of the sailor who is a typical character of the waste land. He is dead by – in water. It means that there is presence of fertility. The theme of fertility is still there. There is another creation of the theme of fertility. The [presence of water is a suggestion of fertility – possibility of rebirth.
The Phoenician sailor-, who is the dead person by water, is a typical character of the waste land. Spiritually, he is dead. He is blind and he has been taken by the cycle, the wheel of life in the whirlpool of life. Unless he manages to break this cycle, come to life again- that is possible, it is like death in life- he is dead in water= the source of life.
When we speak about Death by Water, we need to speak about the theme of fertility. It is suggested by the presence of water. Water means fertility. Water means life. This time, it is a source of death.
This man is spiritually dead. He is blind by his earthly desires. Unless, he turns to the spiritual side of life, he manages to, participant in the rebirth, regeneration, hew wont come to life. So, there is a possibility of fertility, reproduction. It is enough for us to think of water as a source of fertility.
In the story of Tristanund Isolde , to which he is referring , in the part of hyacinth girl, there is a reference for some one who is coming out of the sea. There is water; Isolde is waiting there by water- like the dead person- the Phoenician Sailor- in Death by Water – she is a lady waiting for her beloved to come back.
Here, we can not speak of any romantic idea because they are spiritually dead. They are disappointed, frustrated.
There is no romance. They are approaching the idea of having some kind of love relationship, but there is always frustration.
The waste land is a dead land.
With the hyacinth girl , there is frustration. With the lady in Game of Chess, there is frustrated love. There is the presence of hot water.
All these ideas are to make us think of fertility, of the possibility of some positive relation presence between the companions. Giving the girl a flower is a romantic action, but it ends with frustration. She is being left alone in the garden. She was left alone and frustrated.
In What the Thunder Said- though there is thunder, there is no sign of fertility. There is no presence of a woman who may suggest the presence of fertility.
Q- How far is the Waste Land a reflection of its age?
It is a waste, dead land. The whole situation – after the war- the political, social changes, the complete destruction of religion of that age- early 20th century western world- it is of utter destruction of life.
The people included in the poem are real people. The unreal city- not imagined- it is a real city. It is not being inhabited by real people. It is dead. People are dead. They are never aware of what was going on. They do not care.
There is the idea of being on a dead land. This land needs to be resurrected, coming to life again. There is still a possibility with the presence of the religious theme here and there- the spiritual. The voice in the second part in the first section, when there is an invitation to show something new that he has not seen ever- the red rock that gives no shelter- it is not the shadow against the sun. It is a spiritual shadow. There is the presence of the church that is never being noticed by people who are walking on the bridge of London. They are dead in a sense.
Eliot relied on" The Holy Grail" it is build on the story of king Arthur and his search for the Holy Grail of the last Supper. There is the presence of holiness, the theme of religion, the need to go back to religion. They will be resurrected only if they manage to find the Holy Grail. It is in the church and the church is being deserted. They are controlled by the feeling of frustration. They have suspicions about the present. They have fears. They do not trust the future. Because of all these things, they can not live. They could not reach to the church. The church has no windows.
There is this idea of depicting their real problem. They have cut off religion. After the war, they are martyrs, dying for the land. In the middle of the war, they come to the realization that al this killing and blood shed is nonsense, not logic. They come out of war with no faith.
It is not physical but spiritual death. It is the death of relationships, death of faith. They have lost beliefs in themselves, in others and in God. Their relation with God has been destroyed with the destruction of the land. This land is dead because of this loss of faith. Man is being destroyed.
There are people running on the Bridge of London, but they are empty from inside. They are dead. They are not able to recognize any body.
The fragmented pieces here and there of the story - in the poem- are a reflection of the age. It is a reflection of the fragmentary that people suffered at that time. The fragmentary language adds to the cut down, broken down, to the bits and pieces, a heaps of broken images. A heap of images is the exact word by which we can describe the Waste Land. As a poem, it is on ly a heap of broken images, here and there . when we put them together, we come with an image. This image is a reflection of a broken picture.
The languages -French- German- are used to universalize the poem . they reflect the theme of lack of communication. People do not speak the same language. They are unable to communicate. Using different languages, he wants to emphasize the difficulty, the impossibility of the waste landers to communicate. He wants to say that they do not have a common language. It is difficult for them to set one issue, to decide. If they are not able to speak one language, they will not be able to recreate their land. They are being scattered on the land, speaking fragmentary language.
V. WHAT THE THUNDER SAID
This is the last movement of the poem. It is one of the most important movements.
Thunder is a biblical reference. In the Bible, they say that God speak to people in thunder. It is may be a reference to the presence of water. But the thunder in the waste land is fertile. It is only a sound. It is sterile.
AFTER the torchlight red on sweaty faces

After the frosty silence in the gardens
After the agony in stony places
The shouting and the crying 325
Prison and place and reverberation
Of thunder of spring over distant mountains
He who was living is now dead
We who were living are now dying
With a little patience 330

The whole image is of death. It is reference to Christ.
The whole stanza is expressing agony, speaking of the act of crucifixion of Christ, killing, and its effect on the world.
Here, the waste landers' god is absent. They are living in chaos.
The whole stanza creates an atmosphere of death. They are alive, but spiritually speaking they are dead. Religion is not part of their life. They do not rely on religion to survive, to cure their suffering.
silence in the gardens

This is where Christ was crucified.
The whole stanza is reference to spiritual death. This is the death of Christ himself. He did not die natural death, he was killed. Severe action is being involved. This prepares us for the destruction of the modern man. Hard action is being involved. This is responsible for the coming destruction of the whole world. This refers to the agony of being in prison- of being deceived by a friend and brought to his end. It is reference to the absence of faith, of honest relationship. Christ's death is reference to the ultimate darkness the whole world is living in since his death.

Here is no water but only rock
Rock and no water and the sandy road
The road winding above among the mountains
Which are mountains of rock without water
If there were water we should stop and drink 335
Amongst the rock one cannot stop or think
Sweat is dry and feet are in the sand
If there were only water amongst the rock
Dead mountain mouth of carious teeth that cannot spit

It is rocky and there is no water. They are running all the time. They do not stop to contemplate on their life, to find a solution, to return for salvation.
Sweat of the Christ when he was crucified.
There is complete absence of water, of moisture from the waste land, not even the sweat. They remember the sweat of Christ. This is very painful to memorize.
The man standing on the rocks is not even enjoying a drop of sweat. There is utter dryness. There is no water. There is complete absence of any possibility of fertility. There is thunder, but there is no rain. Sweat of the Christ on the cross is remembered which is painful. It is another harsh and painful memory.
It is a place where there is the sound of thunder, dry rocks under the heat of sun. They can not even have sweat. There is thunder. The sky is falling on them. It is a painful image. There is no possibility of resurrection.
They are dying for a drop of water.
carious teeth= decayed, rotten

Here one can neither stand nor lie nor sit 340
There is not even silence in the mountains
But dry sterile thunder without rain
There is not even solitude in the mountains
But red sullen faces sneer and snarl
From doors of mud*****ed houses


Man is suspended- in between- lost his way. He is cut of the world around him. It is the situation of being unrest, suffering, and inability to settle down. Man can never lie or sit. There is not even silence because of the sound of the thunder which may destroy the mountain. The thunder can split the mountain. Even the blessing of silence is not there. The muddy houses are dry so that they *****ed. There is no water. The houses which are supposed to be places of protection, they are places of utter dryness and death.
If there were water 345
And no rock
If there were rock
And also water
And water
A spring 350
A pool among the rock

Rock has a spiritual reference, shelter, refuge.
If there were the sound of water only
Not the cicada
And dry grass singing
But sound of water over a rock 355
Where the hermit-thrush sings in the pine trees
Drip drop drip drop drop drop drop
But there is no water


Cicada= insect = grass hopper
The sound of cicada increases their wariness.
hermit-thrush= American little bird
He wished that the thrush would sing as its sound is like dripping water. There is complete thirst. The memory is there but it is painful. Here, it is not even there
Who is the third who walks always beside you?
When I count, there are only you and I together 360
But when I look ahead up the white road
There is always another one walking beside you
Gliding wrapt in a brown mantle, hooded
I do not know whether a man or a woman
—But who is that on the other side of you? 365


Here, the speaker is involved completely. He is not only a narrator. He is a character.
This third person is Christ himself- he is there, still around, waiting for them.
There are few words given by the thunder.
DR- What the Thunder Said-
the speaker's vision is of the decay and collapse of western civilization [Speaking of Christ's death is speaking about the death of all humanity] consequently, images of decay and sterility assume such nightmare proportion that to put them in orderly- well organized- blank verse would be entirely put of keeping with the chaotic image with which is movement abound .
In the absence of fertility themes, the water imagery has completely disappeared except as a symbol of memory and desire. This movement represents a recapitulation of the sterility theme. Taking up once again the dominant imagery of the second part of the first movement - dry red rock-. the feminine motif usually appears in conjunction with the fertility theme. It is here dissociated from this theme. It manifests itself in weird and sinister forms = either sex-or in the form of women who seem to be waiting over for the death of Christy. The masculine motif is maintained by the voice of the speaker who is masculine as well as by the illusion of Christ- another masculine, his apostle at the questing night- another masculine.
Thunder commonly intimates the arrival of rain. Eliot refers specially to the message of the thunder given in Brihadaranyaka - it is one of the books of Sanskrit- sacred to Hinduism . this is the language by which the thunder gives its words Dayadhvam- Datta- Damyata. = calling for man to sympathize with others, to be open to other man and to give-
Datta-= this is the thunder first command = to give. He can only reflect that he had been too prudent to surrender himself either to sexual lust or religious faith. The one who can not do so realizes that he is a lost soul playing for the water of heavenly grace.
Dayadhvam= this is the thunder's second command. Man is act to sympathize perhaps to understand and love humanity. Yet he is a prisoner not in his solitary dream. He is imprisoned in his own subject world unable to communicate with the fellow men each of whom, there is another solitary prisoner.
Damyata= this is the command perhaps to control oneself and to allow God to control one spirit.
The Thunder section seems to happen parallel to the climax of the quest for the Holy Grail and even takes the place of the expected question to the grail.
The country of India is still in the dry season and nature awakes the coming of the rain. In this case, the thunder announces not rain but the advice by which men's life can be revitalized.








هذا الكلام اللي في المربع مهم الدكتوره نقلتنا نفسه تقريبا

Diamond brooch 2012- 12- 29 08:28 PM

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بنات اسئله البرسنتشين بليززززز :33:

احسها مهمه ممكن تجيب منهاااااااااا ...:7:


ربي يوفقكم كل وحده تكتب اللي عندها ...:43:

Diamond brooch 2012- 12- 29 08:47 PM

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q- write on- "death by water" as being another variation on the theme of death and rebirth.

there are so many people having contact with the sea. There is a reference to tristanund isolde who is sitting, waiting for the coming of her beloved to the sea. This is one reference to water. It is the possibility of water that carries the symbol of fertility- possibility of rebirth. There is reference to rebirth as an act of fertility – a sign of fertility.
relying on some sources in the poem, we can detect this theme in the poem, speaking of fertility- death and rebirth.
one of the books that eliot relied on is "from ritual to romance"
eliot admitted that most of the ideas, images are suggested by two books
"from ritual to romance" and" holy grail"
in " from ritual to romance" he said that certain religious rituals had not died completely , but they crept into literature and continued to be present in literature under christianity. The three deities- are related to different seasons- summer, winter, autumn- they stand for the cycle of life- death and rebirth, fertility, seasons- they stand for the death and rebirth of the land- rebirth= a sign of fertility= giving= production. Whenever we have the theme of death and rebirth, we have to remember these three deities= small gods. They are used by eliot because he believed in the role of these three deities in the traditional literature. They are applicable to the situation in the waste land. They lack the spiritual – religious side of their life.
in death by water, there is the death of the sailor who is a typical character of the waste land. He is dead by – in water. It means that there is presence of fertility. The theme of fertility is still there. There is another creation of the theme of fertility. The [presence of water is a suggestion of fertility – possibility of rebirth.
the phoenician sailor-, who is the dead person by water, is a typical character of the waste land. Spiritually, he is dead. He is blind and he has been taken by the cycle, the wheel of life in the whirlpool of life. Unless he manages to break this cycle, come to life again- that is possible, it is like death in life- he is dead in water= the source of life.
when we speak about death by water, we need to speak about the theme of fertility. It is suggested by the presence of water. Water means fertility. Water means life. This time, it is a source of death.
this man is spiritually dead. He is blind by his earthly desires. Unless, he turns to the spiritual side of life, he manages to, participant in the rebirth, regeneration, hew wont come to life. So, there is a possibility of fertility, reproduction. It is enough for us to think of water as a source of fertility.
in the story of tristanund isolde , to which he is referring , in the part of hyacinth girl, there is a reference for some one who is coming out of the sea. There is water; isolde is waiting there by water- like the dead person- the phoenician sailor- in death by water – she is a lady waiting for her beloved to come back.
here, we can not speak of any romantic idea because they are spiritually dead. They are disappointed, frustrated.
there is no romance. They are approaching the idea of having some kind of love relationship, but there is always frustration.
the waste land is a dead land.
with the hyacinth girl , there is frustration. With the lady in game of chess, there is frustrated love. There is the presence of hot water.
all these ideas are to make us think of fertility, of the possibility of some positive relation presence between the companions. Giving the girl a flower is a romantic action, but it ends with frustration. She is being left alone in the garden. She was left alone and frustrated.
in what the thunder said- though there is thunder, there is no sign of fertility. There is no presence of a woman who may suggest the presence of fertility.
q- how far is the waste land a reflection of its age?
it is a waste, dead land. The whole situation – after the war- the political, social changes, the complete destruction of religion of that age- early 20th century western world- it is of utter destruction of life.
the people included in the poem are real people. The unreal city- not imagined- it is a real city. It is not being inhabited by real people. It is dead. People are dead. They are never aware of what was going on. They do not care.
there is the idea of being on a dead land. This land needs to be resurrected, coming to life again. There is still a possibility with the presence of the religious theme here and there- the spiritual. The voice in the second part in the first section, when there is an invitation to show something new that he has not seen ever- the red rock that gives no shelter- it is not the shadow against the sun. It is a spiritual shadow. There is the presence of the church that is never being noticed by people who are walking on the bridge of london. They are dead in a sense.
eliot relied on" the holy grail" it is build on the story of king arthur and his search for the holy grail of the last supper. There is the presence of holiness, the theme of religion, the need to go back to religion. They will be resurrected only if they manage to find the holy grail. It is in the church and the church is being deserted. They are controlled by the feeling of frustration. They have suspicions about the present. They have fears. They do not trust the future. Because of all these things, they can not live. They could not reach to the church. The church has no windows.
there is this idea of depicting their real problem. They have cut off religion. After the war, they are martyrs, dying for the land. In the middle of the war, they come to the realization that al this killing and blood shed is nonsense, not logic. They come out of war with no faith.
it is not physical but spiritual death. It is the death of relationships, death of faith. They have lost beliefs in themselves, in others and in god. Their relation with god has been destroyed with the destruction of the land. This land is dead because of this loss of faith. Man is being destroyed.
there are people running on the bridge of london, but they are empty from inside. They are dead. They are not able to recognize any body.
the fragmented pieces here and there of the story - in the poem- are a reflection of the age. It is a reflection of the fragmentary that people suffered at that time. The fragmentary language adds to the cut down, broken down, to the bits and pieces, a heaps of broken images. A heap of images is the exact word by which we can describe the waste land. As a poem, it is on ly a heap of broken images, here and there . When we put them together, we come with an image. This image is a reflection of a broken picture.
the languages -french- german- are used to universalize the poem . They reflect the theme of lack of communication. People do not speak the same language. They are unable to communicate. Using different languages, he wants to emphasize the difficulty, the impossibility of the waste landers to communicate. He wants to say that they do not have a common language. It is difficult for them to set one issue, to decide. If they are not able to speak one language, they will not be able to recreate their land. They are being scattered on the land, speaking fragmentary language.


v. what the thunder said


this is the last movement of the poem. It is one of the most important movements.
thunder is a biblical reference. In the bible, they say that god speak to people in thunder. It is may be a reference to the presence of water. But the thunder in the waste land is fertile. It is only a sound. It is sterile.
after the torchlight red on sweaty faces

after the frosty silence in the gardens
after the agony in stony places
the shouting and the crying 325
prison and place and reverberation
of thunder of spring over distant mountains
he who was living is now dead
we who were living are now dying
with a little patience 330


the whole image is of death. It is reference to christ.
the whole stanza is expressing agony, speaking of the act of crucifixion of christ, killing, and its effect on the world.
here, the waste landers' god is absent. They are living in chaos.
the whole stanza creates an atmosphere of death. They are alive, but spiritually speaking they are dead. Religion is not part of their life. They do not rely on religion to survive, to cure their suffering.
silence in the gardens

this is where christ was crucified.
the whole stanza is reference to spiritual death. This is the death of christ himself. He did not die natural death, he was killed. Severe action is being involved. This prepares us for the destruction of the modern man. Hard action is being involved. This is responsible for the coming destruction of the whole world. This refers to the agony of being in prison- of being deceived by a friend and brought to his end. It is reference to the absence of faith, of honest relationship. Christ's death is reference to the ultimate darkness the whole world is living in since his death.

here is no water but only rock
rock and no water and the sandy road
the road winding above among the mountains
which are mountains of rock without water
if there were water we should stop and drink 335
amongst the rock one cannot stop or think
sweat is dry and feet are in the sand
if there were only water amongst the rock
dead mountain mouth of carious teeth that cannot spit

it is rocky and there is no water. They are running all the time. They do not stop to contemplate on their life, to find a solution, to return for salvation.
sweat of the christ when he was crucified.
there is complete absence of water, of moisture from the waste land, not even the sweat. They remember the sweat of christ. This is very painful to memorize.
the man standing on the rocks is not even enjoying a drop of sweat. There is utter dryness. There is no water. There is complete absence of any possibility of fertility. There is thunder, but there is no rain. Sweat of the christ on the cross is remembered which is painful. It is another harsh and painful memory.
it is a place where there is the sound of thunder, dry rocks under the heat of sun. They can not even have sweat. There is thunder. The sky is falling on them. It is a painful image. There is no possibility of resurrection.
they are dying for a drop of water.
carious teeth= decayed, rotten

here one can neither stand nor lie nor sit 340
there is not even silence in the mountains
but dry sterile thunder without rain
there is not even solitude in the mountains
but red sullen faces sneer and snarl
from doors of mud*****ed houses




man is suspended- in between- lost his way. He is cut of the world around him. It is the situation of being unrest, suffering, and inability to settle down. Man can never lie or sit. There is not even silence because of the sound of the thunder which may destroy the mountain. The thunder can split the mountain. Even the blessing of silence is not there. The muddy houses are dry so that they *****ed. There is no water. The houses which are supposed to be places of protection, they are places of utter dryness and death.
if there were water 345
and no rock
if there were rock
and also water
and water
a spring 350
a pool among the rock

rock has a spiritual reference, shelter, refuge.
if there were the sound of water only
not the cicada
and dry grass singing
but sound of water over a rock 355
where the hermit-thrush sings in the pine trees
drip drop drip drop drop drop drop
but there is no water


cicada= insect = grass hopper
the sound of cicada increases their wariness.
hermit-thrush= american little bird
he wished that the thrush would sing as its sound is like dripping water. There is complete thirst. The memory is there but it is painful. Here, it is not even there
who is the third who walks always beside you?
when i count, there are only you and i together 360
but when i look ahead up the white road
there is always another one walking beside you
gliding wrapt in a brown mantle, hooded
i do not know whether a man or a woman
—but who is that on the other side of you? 365


here, the speaker is involved completely. He is not only a narrator. He is a character.
this third person is christ himself- he is there, still around, waiting for them.
there are few words given by the thunder.
dr- what the thunder said-
the speaker's vision is of the decay and collapse of western civilization [speaking of christ's death is speaking about the death of all humanity] consequently, images of decay and sterility assume such nightmare proportion that to put them in orderly- well organized- blank verse would be entirely put of keeping with the chaotic image with which is movement abound .
in the absence of fertility themes, the water imagery has completely disappeared except as a symbol of memory and desire. This movement represents a recapitulation of the sterility theme. Taking up once again the dominant imagery of the second part of the first movement - dry red rock-. The feminine motif usually appears in conjunction with the fertility theme. It is here dissociated from this theme. It manifests itself in weird and sinister forms = either sex-or in the form of women who seem to be waiting over for the death of christy. The masculine motif is maintained by the voice of the speaker who is masculine as well as by the illusion of christ- another masculine, his apostle at the questing night- another masculine.
thunder commonly intimates the arrival of rain. Eliot refers specially to the message of the thunder given in brihadaranyaka - it is one of the books of sanskrit- sacred to hinduism . This is the language by which the thunder gives its words dayadhvam- datta- damyata. = calling for man to sympathize with others, to be open to other man and to give-
datta-= this is the thunder first command = to give. He can only reflect that he had been too prudent to surrender himself either to sexual lust or religious faith. The one who can not do so realizes that he is a lost soul playing for the water of heavenly grace.
dayadhvam= this is the thunder's second command. Man is act to sympathize perhaps to understand and love humanity. Yet he is a prisoner not in his solitary dream. He is imprisoned in his own subject world unable to communicate with the fellow men each of whom, there is another solitary prisoner.
damyata= this is the command perhaps to control oneself and to allow god to control one spirit.
the thunder section seems to happen parallel to the climax of the quest for the holy grail and even takes the place of the expected question to the grail.
the country of india is still in the dry season and nature awakes the coming of the rain. In this case, the thunder announces not rain but the advice by which men's life can be revitalized.



هذا الكلام اللي في المربع مهم الدكتوره نقلتنا نفسه تقريبا


هذا كله كلام الدكتوره ....؟؟

ولا ملخص ولا تفريغ ...:42:

مافهمت بالضبط شسالفه حبيبتي يليت توضحين..:22:

ومشكوره ..:1:

betterbutter 2012- 12- 29 08:57 PM

رد: last year......old plan group
 
The diction and the tone used in this poem reveal the speaker's struggle as his feelings mix between his desire to be a man and his desire to return to his childhood. The rhyme and structure of the poem keep the reader in tune with the flow of the poem. In this poem a man struggles to remain a man while fighting off his memories of the past, which he feels would be uncharacteristic of his present maturity.
The diction and tone of the poem also show the author's mixed feelings in the poem.
-The poem begins with the line, "softly in the dusk" to open the poem with a light, airy image. "Vista of years," are words used to show his nostalgia as he walks down memory lane. He remembers the "boom" of the piano, which would seem loud to a child who is four-years-old.
- In the second stanza, he is a little more negative about his memories. The song he is listening to "betrays me back." He feels that these memories should not be felt with such emotion because they cause him to "weep" as he reluctantly returns to his past.
-The last line of the poem is also negative as the speaker breaks down and goes "down the flood of remembrance." He again flows down the flood reluctantly into the past. The tone is quite the same, supporting the diction that the author remembers a happy past, but is reluctant in continuing to do so. He is happy to remember his past, but he feels his "manhood is cast down."

This poem's structure and rhyme
The poem's structure and rhyme help bring an organization to the way the speaker shares his mixed feelings. The lines are coupled so that every two lines rhyme.
-The poem is structured so that in each of the three stanza the author describes an image of the present in the first two lines, and then the last two lines are spent describing his comfortable past.
The second line of each stanza speaks of the vehicle that sends him back to the past while the third line of each stanza shows his increasing distress.
In the first stanza it's the singing woman that takes him "down the vista of years." Next, the song takes him to "the old Sunday evenings at home." Finally, the "great black piano" reminds him of the past.


So, we can say that there is a simple and repeated rhyme scheme. The first and second lines rhyme in each stanza. The third and fourth lines rhyme in each stanza. For example in the second stanza the endings are: ‘ong’, ‘ong’, ‘ide’ and ‘ide’. This simple rhyming fits the poem well.
-It expresses the simplicity of childhood.
- It also creates an obvious music that matches the music of the piano, which is the subject of the poem.
Note the internal rhymes created by similar words: ‘clamour’ and ‘glamour’ and ‘tingling’ and ‘tinkling’
من قروب حصه العام

موفقات:2::17:

betterbutter 2012- 12- 29 08:58 PM

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هذا كله كلام الدكتوره ....؟؟

ولا ملخص ولا تفريغ ...:42:

مافهمت بالضبط شسالفه حبيبتي يليت توضحين..:22:

ومشكوره ..:1:


هو تفريغ بس اللي مكتوب dr
كلامها

لاتغرك ضحكتي 2012- 12- 29 09:02 PM

رد: last year......old plan group
 
شالسالفه ما احد عنده عربي بكره :31::38:
ماتدرون وش قررت على الاسئله مقالي والا موضوعي ؟!
وبتجيب تحليل نص والا لأ ؟

M.A.S 2012- 12- 29 09:48 PM

رد: last year......old plan group
 
هذا الايميل من الدكتورة. موقفين


وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته
مساء مبارك
بالنسبة للنهائي ستكون الأسئلة بهذه الطريقة:
20 درجة على أسئلة خيار من متعدد ( الأسئلة شاملة لكامل المنهج)
11 درجة على أسئلة متعلقة بمقالة كنت أتمنى أن أرى ابن آدم.
بقية الدرجات على أسئلة مقالية ، وهذه ستكون من المذكرة، بالإضافة إلى موضوعين من كتاب د. نجم:
الأول من الجزء المتعلق بالمقالة في الأدب الحديث من ص 53- 63
والثاني من الجزء المتعلق بأنواع المقالة الذاتية من ص 81_ 94
النصوص المقالية التي أديتن فيها التطبيق الجماعي داخل المحاضرة لن يأتي منها شيء.

ذاكرن جيدا وبجد، علما بأن ماذكر خاص بطالبات الانتظام .
دمت بخير

جسد 2012- 12- 29 10:05 PM

رد: last year......old plan group
 
بنات بكره شنو الاختبار ؟


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